PKP ST43 in TT ?

[drlukasz]

Helo Torsten

Try to talk with our forum friend Andrzej Czarnak

[Torsten]

Does someone know a company in Poland, which such models can make in "3D-Printing", "Stereolithografie" or another prototyping procedure?

http://www.ppuh-iga.pl/pass1.php?page=uslugi2

Thank you for the address but no answer from there about me questions :-(

[Witek M.]

Does someone know a company in Poland, which such models can make in "3D-Printing", "Stereolithografie" or another prototyping procedure?

http://www.ppuh-iga.pl/pass1.php?page=uslugi2

[Torsten]

Does someone know a company in Poland, which such models can make in "3D-Printing", "Stereolithografie" or another prototyping procedure?

[Torsten]

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Thank you.

My workaround about the ST43 (german version) is this one:


This is only a triangle mesh after a render process, NOT a real 3D-model. So it is impossible for me to made it as a model in 3D printing and copying with resin. I don't have any time for that at the moment.

[pepsigo2pl]

As far as I know there are license problems with the second manufacturer of this model in Germany. Those have the rights at the KEG Design in the model and therefore Tillig may only produce it in Polish version

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As there is no problems with a polish copyrights Tillig would have a free hand to begin production.

Then again, polish market is way too small to lunch production in TT scale

DBv -> 060DA in China?? Thats long way from Romania

[Torsten]

...Leider eine Auslieferung hat sich verzoegert und wenn 060DA Modell erschien, KEG stand schon in Konkurs. Genau deshalb Tillig produziert jetzt so viele polnische 060DA Ausfuehrungen - Sebnitzer suchen nach neues Markt fuer dieser HO Modell.
[Kiedy Tillig rozpoczął produkcję 060DA, KEG był jedną z większych prywatnych kolejowych firm przewozowych, głównym konkurentem DBAG. Niestety wysyłka modelu się przeciągnęła i w efekcie, kiedy sie pojaiwł na rynku, spółka KEG znajdowała sie w upadłości. M.in. dlatego dziś mamy tyle wariantów polskich prywatnych przewoźników, bo w Niemczech niewiele osób już nazwę KEG kojarzy...]

Meines Wissens gibt es Lizenzprobleme mit dem zweiten Hersteller dieses Modells in Deutschland. Die haben die Rechte am KEG-Design im Modell und deshalb darf Tillig es nur in polnisc
her Version bringen.

[DBv]

So, 060DA remains in service only in Poland and Romania

Nicht nur dort... 060DA in vielen Exemplaren sind heute auch in Bulgaria und China eingesetzt.
[nie tylko tam, równiez w Bułgarii i w Chinach...]

In that case it does wonder me why Tillig have released this locomotive in HO gauge??

Wenn Tillig eine Produktion von 060DA begann, KEG war eine der groessten privaten Eisenbahngeselschaft mit groessen Einsatzraum und sicheren Zukunft (alle haben so gedacht...). Leider eine Auslieferung hat sich verzoegert und wenn 060DA Modell erschien, KEG stand schon in Konkurs. Genau deshalb Tillig produziert jetzt so viele polnische 060DA Ausfuehrungen - Sebnitzer suchen nach neues Markt fuer dieser HO Modell.
[Kiedy Tillig rozpoczął produkcję 060DA, KEG był jedną z większych prywatnych kolejowych firm przewozowych, głównym konkurentem DBAG. Niestety wysyłka modelu się przeciągnęła i w efekcie, kiedy sie pojaiwł na rynku, spółka KEG znajdowała sie w upadłości. M.in. dlatego dziś mamy tyle wariantów polskich prywatnych przewoźników, bo w Niemczech niewiele osób już nazwę KEG kojarzy...]

[pepsigo2pl]

DBv -> thank You very much for an update. I wasnt aware of that 060DA class locomotives from the KEG were trasnfered to polish private operators

So, 060DA remains in service only in Poland and Romania in that case it does wonder me why Tillig have released this locomotive in HO gauge??

Well, lets keep hoping for better future for our scale. Hopefully by Tillig

[DBv]

In Germany its only few private rail operators which have this class of locomotive in their stock. I believe its KEG and... maybe something else...

KEG Gesellschaft existiert seit Jahren nicht mehr. 060DA die auf KEG Bestand waren, laufen jetzt in... Polen. Und das ist in diesem Fall zusatzlicher Problem, weil deutsche 060DA Ausfuehrungen haben ziemlich kurze Einsatzzeit.

[Spółka KEG nie istnieje od lat, jej lokomotywy typu 060DA aktualnie eksploatowane sa przez przewoźników polskich. To dodatkowy problem, bo okres w jakim można by umiejscowić model w wersji niemieckiej jest bardzo krótki.]

[pepsigo2pl]

Like Torsten wrote, its not only re-scaling moulds, model would be created mostly for polish TT enthusiasts. As Im not aware of any TT groups back in Romania from where 060DA originally comes from.

In Germany its only few private rail operators which have this class of locomotive in their stock. I believe its KEG and... maybe something else...

I dont believe it would be enough for company such as Tillig to start preparing new moulds. Lets not compare Piko's Taurus which is widely used in Europe to 060DA which remained in service only in few eastern european countries.

Neverthless if there is 060DA in HO scale, sooner or later (which is more likely) we may get one in our gauge.

[Karol]

You are right, but I think the 43 is quite possible to appear on the market, for Tillig has got this positions in H0 gauge. All they have to do is to rescale the model to our scale, just as it was done in the case of Piko`s Taurus.

[Torsten]

I wouldnt be surprised if sooner or later 060DA would appear in Tillig TT offer as they already have 060DA in HO scale in private operators liveries CTL, PTK.

You never know... but with Tillig, well I wouldnt be expecting it soon :/ As DBv wrote sooner we may get it as a Kleinserie production.

Sorry but I don't have any hope that Tillig will offer this model in TT-scale because the market is very small for this special locomotive. Some reasons:

- not possible for DR (the "holy grail" for east german railroader)
- only a small market in newer periods (oiltanking in germany)
- only for friends of "collored private trains"
- no market in czech republik
- no market in romania (are there any TT-scaler?)
- polish market to small ???

I have a "started" 3D construction on my pc (only chassis) and I'm looking for a possible 3D-printing (Format SLT) as rapid prototyping.

[pepsigo2pl]

I wouldnt be surprised if sooner or later 060DA would appear in Tillig TT offer as they already have 060DA in HO scale in private operators liveries CTL, PTK.

You never know... but with Tillig, well I wouldnt be expecting it soon As DBv wrote sooner we may get it as a Kleinserie production.

[DBv]

Leider (nach meiner Wissen) zur Zeit gibt's kein ST43 Modell.
Einiege Monate frueher T.Rejl (DELTAXcz) hat etwas ueber Plaenen um 060DA zu bauen gesprochen, jedoch kenne ich keine Details (Hersteller- Helge Mai?)